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Post by kirkham1990 on Mar 21, 2012 21:03:15 GMT
when can we talk and submit about new motions for next season for the annual meeting?? come on this has to be the time we change to 501 (proper darts)
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Post by disco on Mar 21, 2012 21:10:32 GMT
501 league is on a friday for those who wish to play this variant of the game. I very much doubt the monday league will change now.
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Post by kirkham1990 on Mar 22, 2012 9:22:32 GMT
got to change with the times surely, almost got voted last time i think
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Post by bobmac on Mar 22, 2012 11:44:56 GMT
I agree, time for a change, no reason why the SDDL can't move to 501 and the Friday night league continue for those who want to play on a Friday. The way I see it is with money being so tight players are not going to be able to afford two nights out and many more will move to the Friday night and reduce the SDDL even more. A couple of years ago I also suggested that perhaps we should change the format to 6 singles and 2 doubles with players who had played singles legible for the doubles to allow teams with fewer players to put out a team (6 would suffice) The change was rejected and the SDDL becomes smaller as teams drop out because they can't field a full team. Time for players to sit up and take notice I think!!
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Post by Arnie on Mar 22, 2012 13:12:36 GMT
The old 501 question again. Some good points put across already. Question. we need to ask our ourselves why is SDDL the biggest darts league in the country? I thinks its because we play 301. We are certainly not the biggest town. 501 or 301 for the SDDL ? This is no disrespect to the lower leagues has anyone watched two very ordinary players play 501? totally boring, then to watch another 7 games of that.. The lower leagues make the SDDL so special, to lose them would be a crying shame. Pontesbury league have tried 501 this year and some teams cant even finish their matches because they take too long. Divisions 5 and 6 would be killed off within 5 years..... I agree with Bobmac 6 singles and 2 doubles is the way to go. 100% it works on a friday superbly. Some more suggestions. Make the leagues of 12 teams more teams would have something to play for 3 up 3 down really bring more interest to the leagues. Have individual singles for each league, as well as the singles every year with the same players winning year in year out. Players would compete with others of the same ability. Don't shoot me down, Im just throwing it out there. End of the day players have a choice 301 Monday 501 Friday, make Monday 501 you take that choice away. Perhaps we should have a referendum on 501
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Post by bobmac on Mar 22, 2012 13:56:57 GMT
Good points well made!! Personally I enjoy 301 as it's a great leveler and isn't all about crunching the treble top!! Perhaps just a change to the first division, or are you saying that the better players in the SDDL are all now playing on Friday, because if that's the case then we should leave it as it is and push for the format change (6 singles / 2 doubles)!! Changes to the comps would be great as has been proved with the consolation cup where the first div teams couldn't enter and two 3rd div teams made to the semi-final. The SDDL web site is superb and a perfect vehicle to get opinions aired. I hope a few more add to this thread and perhaps we might be able to get the changes needed because with all respect to the SDDL committee the AGM is often a farce with serious proposed amendments to the rules dismissed out of hand because the members are often not aware of what is being suggested.
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Post by ynwa on Mar 22, 2012 13:58:37 GMT
I have always campaigned for 501 on a Monday night, but i think Neil might be right ( Might!!!) if we play 501 on both Monday and Friday then people who play both a present could choose just to play on one night instead.
301 is totally a different game to 501. You would be amazed how many good players struggle to get a starting double ( no names mentioned!!!).
One thing that clearly needs looking at is the amount of league games you need to play before playing in a cup semi final! it currently stands at 5 ( including cup games?), surely this has to be far more than this, bearing in mind that when the semi finals are played there has been 18-20 league games played. 10 would be a far better number. We have fallen foul to this the last 2 years and i think its about time the number was changed.
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Post by Arnie on Mar 22, 2012 14:35:06 GMT
I know for one thing.. All proposals must be with the committee in writing 14 days prior to the AGM.
Perhaps one of the committee could put details on forum or let me know and I'll put them on website, where players can write too please...
Oi Diego !!! what do you mean? MIGHT! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by MACKEM on Mar 22, 2012 18:18:06 GMT
motions for any changes are to be with general secretary 14 days prior to agm.
can agree with a lot of whats being said, but i think 501 on a mon like neil says lower leagues will struggle, no disrespect to them.
6 singles 2 doubles great idea, only 6 players required, some teams have been struggling this season to field 8 players.
throw this one then, just a suggestion!! 7 singles no draw and no need for 9 players in the cup!!!
12 teams in a league, shorter season and play all comps at the end of the season on a monday night after 1st two or three rounds. no need for two nights out. just a suggestion.
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Post by hippo on Mar 22, 2012 18:37:19 GMT
I've always argued for 501 on these threads, as it's the game I prefer, but i'm not that bothered if mondays change now, to be honest. 301's a leveller, and that suits the vast majority of monday players I reckon. And then friday's there for whoever wants to play it. (sign for the woody!)
Individual leagues would be decent, and 6 singles + 2 doubles works well, and would probably save a few teams. I don't think teams should be allowed to enter with just 6 though, you need a core of at least 8 or you'll come in to difficulty.
Promotion play-offs would also be fun. 2 up auto, next 4 play off, keeps a lot of the league interested. They'd certainly be genuinely brilliant in div3 this year anyway, some very strong teams all bunched up in the top half.
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Also, one problem with doubles. Whilst it does mean teams can operate with less, it can also lose teams players. It creates a two-tier system in the team - singles players and doubles players - and in teams who are in tight games, some people end up playing twice, and occasionally some not at all. Especially with casual players, many of which make the 301 league interesting, it can be a bit dispiriting playing doubles some weeks, not at all others, and very rarely singles. Makes life harder for many captains I'd guess.
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Post by baldandfat on Mar 22, 2012 22:29:31 GMT
The Friday night league attracted 16 teams (?) to play 501. It expanded this year , and for me offers a good local alternative to the 501 county darts scene - for those Div1-3 players who want the option
90+ teams started the 301 league this year, but only represented around 60 pubs - and that number will be smaller next year
So lets not kid ourselves that 301 or 501 is the reason people are not coming out to play, or that pubs are shutting down. So to keep a vibrant darts scene in Shrewsbury we need to look at alternatives that are interesting , practical for all 6 leagues and cost effective for players of all abilities
Smaller leagues would be a starter. Current 16 team leagues require 30 weeks to play them, and competitions to be played on a Thursday. Switch to 12 team leagues and you only need 22 weeks.
We can then take a leaf out of the ladies league, and play all the league games until mid February, then switch to the competitions - entries may then go up , as players are still only coming out on a Monday - and only once a week - so keeping cost down. Later rounds may still need to be played on Thursdays though.
I also like the idea of league singles, which should match players ability 90% of the time, and so be more competitive - and have the potential to be played over one night for 32 entries in a pub with 2 boards or 64 to QF, and then QF+ on a seocnd night with another league
The format of games could be freshened up , although personally I like the idea of being able to get a draw , so would favour staying at 8 games.
Friday night & Frankwell Summer league have both always played singles and doubles, and it does mean teams only need to field a minimum of 6 players to play the 8 games - which may enable a lot of teams to keep going .
Preference would be for SSDSSDSS, rather than doubles at the end. The cup competitions could also be reduced to 7-a-side (but all singles) rather than teams needing additional players as at present
Hopefully League committee members are reading this thread, and can take on board these suggestions from the league players. None of its is meant as a criticism of the committee but more shows the desire of players to keep Shrewsbury Darts thriving.
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Post by kirkham1990 on Mar 22, 2012 22:55:58 GMT
no offence to the older players but 301 is the old tradition and surely the way forward is to bring more young players through!! they only know the most comman way ( what they see on tv). so if a young player starting out is getting brushed in their games then that wont interest them and the leagues will lose the younger players which causes teams to drop out,
i should know most of all about the younger players i'm 21 and a captain in division 4 and have a average team age of 25 (oldest 28) these and my fellow young players are the future of the sddl.
6 singles, 2 doubles great idea- if it came in they teams can survive with less players and can also mean more teams coming into the leagues, also if u play 1st or 2nd u can be bored all night but not with doubles at end, also teams who have big teams all players could play.
lower the amount of teams in the leagues and shortening the season is a VERY VERY BAD idea as the summer break is far too long now!!! need to expand then season more teams and bigger leagues maybe with the 6 singles 2 doubles way, also mabe have a mid season break of 3 weeks at xmas when everyone is broke!!
we should get some polls on the go to see what people want, saves asking at AGM when not enough want it..
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Post by bobmac on Mar 23, 2012 12:30:14 GMT
OK! So what is coming out of this thread is as follows:
1. Monday stays as 301 2. Change format to 6 singles and 2 doubles or reduce teams to 7 players 3. Reduce number of teams in each division to 12 3. Three promoted and three relegated 4. Two automatic promotion places 5. Third place decided by a playoff between teams finishing 3rd 4th 5th 6th 6. Competitions played on Monday nights (perhaps playing down to board winners who would go through to finals night) 7. Challenge Cup and Subsidiary Cup games would still have to be played on Thursday.
Big changes!! How do we get the message across to the players as not everyone contributes on here? Perhaps some sort of canvasing prior to the AGM to gain support and get the needed votes!!
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Post by kirkham1990 on Mar 23, 2012 15:32:10 GMT
my votes for these are as follows:
1- in twos minds i'm a young player and probably would like 501 2- defo 6 singles and 2 doubles no to 7 players 3- hell NO to only 12 teams season is too short as it is, should have bigger leagues (15 or 16) 4- totally agree 5- totally agree makes it interesting but probably simpier doing it between 3rd and 4th 6- agree 7- defo no thursdays are always a pain for teams change it to mondays and expand the season into may
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Post by Arnie on Mar 25, 2012 22:00:47 GMT
Im going to play Devil's Adovcate now. Been chatting to one of the committee members and when you hear it from their point of view you see it in a different light. Firstly why change anything ? we have approx 80-90 teams playing every Monday. 8 singles 301. competitions on Thursday. This formal has worked for many years. The league has lost something like 4 or 5 teams throughout the league.Not bad at all. How many people have posted comments 7 or 8??? (Not many) These are personal peferences that suit them. Changing the format is a gamble and how much work would be involved in working out a different schedule new result cards etc etc. Who would do the work? ? Could we then end up having 70 to 80 comments moaning about the new set up. I've changed my mind, leave well alone, if its not broken, there is nothing to fix. Committee do a superb job.
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